Types of death and their implications for ITLAD

[SM Kovalinsky]

Oh, great! Just one more link, this is what I find useful as well from Steinhart and Tony might like it as well so I shall leave it here:
http://www.ericsteinhart.com/TOOLS/tools-home.html

[IvanOsokin]

Hello Everybody.

I am new as a member of this Forum but I have been a keen follower of the discussions for about a year or so. It was after hearing Anthony's comments on the God-Above-God website that I decided that I would join in (thanks for this Miguel (C) aka Abraxas .... you are really opening up minds!) As you will note from my choice of username I am a great fan of Peter Ouspensky and his concept of the Eternal Recurrence. However what has always frustrated me with Ouspensky is that he doesn't explain how this mechanism works. And then along came Anthony and his attempt to explain such a concept using neurology and neuro-chemistry absolutely stunned me. Here at last was an explanation that I could present to my friends, an explanation that involved mechanistic, scientifically known processes. I could go on, but my reason for posting here is that I am sure that this discussion has taken place elsewhere on this forum (deja vu feeling maybe) when Anthony and the Dark Philosopher made some fascinating points that went a long way to explaining that time is the factor that is being missed when we discuss the effectiveness of the glutamate flood when somebody is shot in the head. The problem is I cannot find the thread and I don't seem to be able to make the search facility work. Maybe somebody else remembers this?

[Hurlyburly]

Hi Ivan. I was aware of that thread as well and couldn't find it. It pertains to the problem being discussed here which is why I re-raised it. Hopefuly when Tony gets some free time he can shed some light on it.

Welcome to the board anyway.

[Anthony Peake]

Ivan,

Welcome ....... "Ivan Osokin" is one of my favourite novels and is probably in my top ten of itladian novels. Clearly this book has influenced you in some profound way. It wpuld be interesting to know what this may be.

HB,

I am having exactly the same problem in finding the discussion thread regarding the bullet to the head scenario. I know that I spent a good deal of time thinking this through and coming up with a rational amswer to this difficult area of itladic thinking. Indeed Karl also contriibuted some excellent postings to this thread. Like Ivan I cannot seem to get the "search" facility to work properly. Whatever I put in is considered to be a "common term" and therefore a search is not started. Now I know that we have mentioned "glutamate flood" a few times on this FORUM but in no way can this be considered a too-common word or phrase.

I will discuss this with my webmaster later today.

Cheers

Tony

[Anthony Peake]

am, at the moment, doing a good deal of research into Dr. Susan Blackmore's position on the NDE. This is because myself and fellow FORUM member (and Australian-based consultant psychiatrist) Dr. Mahendra Perera are still pulling together or planned book on the a description of the NDE phenomenon for Medical practitioners. Indeed Mahendra has done really well in this regard. Dr. Raymond Moody has agreed to write the foreword and luminaries such as Dr. Melvin Morse, Professor Peter Fenwick, Dr. P.M.H. Atwater, Professor Pim Van Lommell and Dr. Ornella Corraza have agreed to contribute chapters. We are keen to have Dr. Blackmore involved as well.

Having been in touch with Susan three years ago I am of the opinion that her position on NDE is far more subtle than she is given credit for. Indeed having now read most of her papers on the subject I feel that her analysis of the NDE is very much within the itlladian camp. As with many things i take a totally alternate viewpoint that is neither skeptical/materialistic nor dualist/idealist. I find these terms to be out-moded as models of how the universe really works and Susan, I think, is of the same opinion. Indeed it may surprise many people to know that Susan is, in fact, a Buddhist. Her world-view is totally non-dualist in the Buddhist sense. By this I mean that consciousness and the observed, material world are the same thing. Whereas most Materialists on one hand and Idealists/Cartesian Dualists on the other, consider that the world is made up of only one "substance" (matter) or of two substances (matter and spirit/consciousness), Buddhism suggests that everything is part of a wholeness. There is no individual objects "in space" because space is a mind-generated illusion. Everything is a unity and consciousness itself is part of this totality. It is the brain that creates the division between "self" and the external world when the "real reality" is simply the groundstate of existence itself .... "Atman".

So for Dr. Blackmore the NDE is not proof of life after death but a perceived element of the real nature of consciousness and life. For her the NDE may be based within the neurological structures of the brain (but is that not what I suggest in ITLAD/CTF) but it is within these structures that can be found something just as strange, just as wonderful and, ultimately, something that is explicable within the boundaries of modern scientific knowledge but an explanation that involves the acceptance of a totally new paradigm of knowledge. For example Susan discusses in some detail the nature of perception, that we perceive the "external world" through our senses. Whether that external world is as our senses present it it to us is the real mystery. As such for Dr. Blackmore the NDE, and what it implies, is opening us up to soething far more mysterious than simply survival after death .......

[Anthony Peake]

Thanks to FORUM member CAM, who emailed from Canada this morning, I have been given the link to the whole discussion on the subject. as CAM pointed out to me the search should have been on the word "bullet". This brings up the following:

http://www.anthonypeake.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=935&p=8916&hilit=bullet#p8916

Thanks CAM.