QUESTION: When does Consciousness begin?

[A Dark Philosopher]

now would that be pre 4000bby and the destruction of the library or post new era and its recreation?

Or is it outside of time?
no, this is getting silly

I call it my Wookiepedia!!
*oh how the nerds laughed*

However, I will be reading the articles you have posted on this and the other posts, so cheers for the links. At least I know who to ask when I get stuck for info.

thanks a lot

My pleasure Seb, if you wanted to read everything I've posted on FORUM and on the old days of BLOG then good luck, you have a lot of reading to do!
I'm delighted you're finding some of my work and writing on Consciousness to be of interest. Cheers.

[Anubis65]

Myself and Kath have just been watching a series of talks on dvd by David Icke, i used to write this guy off as a crackpot, but he is no more of a crackpot than any of us. This guy should be listened to more as most if not all of what he says makes perfect sense. He even say's in the dvd The turning of the tide that "we are like droplets of water in an ocean of infinite consciousness" and go's on very much to say what you have been saying Karl regarding Ctcw. I highly recommend this dvd to all on the forum to watch.

[A Dark Philosopher]

Myself and Kath have just been watching a series of talks on dvd by David Icke, i used to write this guy off as a crackpot, but he is no more of a crackpot than any of us. This guy should be listened to more as most if not all of what he says makes perfect sense.

Hi Dave. Which Icke DVD was it? Was it Beyond The Cutting Edge, which I think is bar far his best? Or one of his others? I tend to agree with around 70-80% of what Icke presents but he loses me when he starts talking about the lizards!

He even say's in the dvd The turning of the tide that "we are like droplets of water in an ocean of infinite consciousness" and go's on very much to say what you have been saying Karl regarding Ctcw. I highly recommend this dvd to all on the forum to watch.

Thanks Dave, his quote here certainly reflects my Bucket and Sea analogy. A DVD along similar lines that I would recommend you and Kath to watch is Amit Goswami's "The Quantum Activist".

[Anubis65]

Karl the dvd we watched is The Turning of the tide. I have yet to watch the one on the reptilians. The next one we are watching is The secrets of the Matrix.

[A Dark Philosopher]

Karl the dvd we watched is The Turning of the tide. I have yet to watch the one on the reptilians. The next one we are watching is The secrets of the Matrix.

Thanks Dave. If memory serves me well, Turning of the Tide is a very early one isn't it? Mid to late nineties? I know Secrets of the Matrix was around 2005/6 and comes in three parts. I'm fairly sure I have the "Beyond The Cutting Edge" (2008) lectures and Icke at the Oxford Union Debating Society back home, so will check for you later.

[Anubis65]

Thanks Karl we would appreciate that, we have only just started delving into Ickes work after picking one of his books up in town. We were hooked straight away, as it is something we have always been interested in. That is what brought us to meet Tony in the first place, we saw an ad for his book. Funny thing is, its the same bookstore we first seen the ad for Tony's ITLAD book.

[A Dark Philosopher]

Thanks Karl we would appreciate that, we have only just started delving into Ickes work after picking one of his books up in town. We were hooked straight away, as it is something we have always been interested in. That is what brought us to meet Tony in the first place, we saw an ad for his book. Funny thing is, its the same bookstore we first seen the ad for Tony's ITLAD book.

I'll get them to you in next few days. Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Just not about the lizards!

[JoboPooks]

Perhaps each conscious level has its own way of seeing itself for the first time as it moves through levels. Have you thought about that?

Perhaps each level has a default assigned to it by itself, but also by the observer of all levels, wherein it must not have knowledge of certain levels in order to retain observation on all or some levels....

[SAB]

If we accept that time is non linear should we therefore be assuming that consciousness has a begining.

Conscousness IS

linear time does not necessarily have any relevance to consciousness

[JoboPooks]

Time is a process created by the observer. It is simply a buffer that allows a difference between the asking for and the having of a desire isn't it?